The CW Source

To Sara:

Are you jealous of me and Brad's love?! :P

OK back on topic... well, the topic of OTH, not this podcast, lol.

I too was a WB poster (before the CW forums). SO much fun! We all stuck together there, as OTH fans. At the CW forums, everyone is divided. I stopped going there. I'm a fanforum poster now.

I disagree about Lucas hiding his feelings. When someone is hiding his feelings, the writers and directors make a point to show the characters' struggle (Lucas and Brooke in season 2, Peyton and Jake in season 2, Peyton and Lucas in season 1, Brooke and Lucas in early season 4, Peyton in early season 4, Peyton all of season 5). I just have not seen Lucas struggling to hide his feelings for Peyton AT ALL in season 5.

Peyton started the "P vs L bitchfest." Lindsey was being nice. Then, Peyton had to blurt "maybe I don't like her," give her dirty looks at the club, and call her fat ass (or whatever she said about her) before Lindsey actually started "fighting" her back. Lindsey started defending herself and her relationship, which she should never have had to do. Again, Peyton imposes her "claim" on Lucas.

I honestly do not see how you think that Brooke writing letters to Lucas, a guy who said he wanted to be with her, is "a bit extreme," but you think that Peyton drawing a huge picture on public property to a guy who shows no intentions of wanting her is a romantic gesture. I see it the complete opposite. I see it as Brooke hiding her feelings by writing secret love letters to Lucas because she's scared to admit that she too wants to be with him, and Peyton forcing her feelings for Lucas on the whole world (or town) when Lucas doesn't even want her.

I am laughing and honestly don't know what to tell you about your notion that Brooke is (or was) selfish. Brooke is the LEAST selfish person on the show (maybe not in season 1). She ALWAYS puts her friends before herself. The writers often discuss Brooke and how she is "fiercely loyal to her friends" (to use their exact words). Her selflessness is constantly brought up in interviews. This is something I really do not see in any character, especially not Peyton.

I love all the characters. I just don't always agree with them and certain things about each character stand out, and certain things bother me to no end. I always loved Brooke's selflessness and loyalty, and I always hated Peyton's selfishness when it came to Lucas.

To Adam:

You got what I was saying. I agree with you for the most part. I can't pick between who was more selfless for Lucas, Brooke or Lindsey. And I also want Lucas to end up with Brooke, lol. He hurt her the first time with Peyton. The second time, she let him go because Peyton told her she still was in love with him and then asked ridiculous things like "are you even in love with him Brooke?" That's like saying "just let him go Brooke! I want him, and he's GOING to be MINE anyway..." Brooke really had no choice, no matter how much she loved him. And when she asked him to dance with her in the morning before she broke up with him that night, it was a CLEAR indication that she didn't want to let go. She was holding on, one last time. She kissed him and hid her teary face in his chest, and he felt that something was wrong.

vortex_199,
I am eternally surprised how bold some people get on the internet. Of course, on the internet you are not face to face with the person or persons with whom you are bashing. I find your comment very immature. If us LP fans are not welcome to share our opinions then I will stop commenting.

I would like to make it clear, AGAIN, that I actually do enjoy everything that Jackie, Mia, and Sarah have said about this show. If I have not agreed then I have shared my opinons in a way that I hope has not offended anyone, unlike your comment which, in fact, I did find offensive.

To have you call complete strangers pathetic is not acceptable in my book. Most of the previous comments were not directed to Jackie, Mia, or Sarah, but to the mysterious person that has a lot of opinions but apparently no name and/or internet alias. My last two comments were specifically directed to that person.

If this comment is not as clear as I believe it to be then feel free to reply, but please withhold your comments that get to a personal level.

lol... This debate over BL & LP is truly never ending It's unreal. I would like to say that I am of course a Lucas & Brooke shipper. They are just IT for me, but I get why some like Lp. Diffrent folks diffrent strokes. For me I was just never smitten with LP. Brooding just doesnt intrest me and niether does cheating. I never thought I would except Brucas or Brooke & Peyton's supposed freindship after s1 but amazingly I loved them both afterwards. Of course the Brooke & Peyton friendship is all a joke to me now after Peytons confession to her in S3. After all the " I would never do that to you" that she spewed it just doesnt even ring true that these two are still friends, sorry. Anyway's I love the podcast and the debates that follow.Cant wait till the next ones up ; )

Well, truthfully I think we're kind of in a lose-lose situation. I think all of us are open to the idea of anything, and starting from scratch is where we are. We can't base our feelings on future episodes when we're watching season 1 because we haven't watched them all (that's why we're going back, because people have told us we were ill-informed before). Luckily, I think season 5 was a great place for us to start since Lucas was with Lindsay and didn't really show himself to be pining after Brooke or Peyton...so it's easier to go back to the original episodes with a blank slate. So, when some people perceive "Peyton-hate" or "Brooke-hate" I don't think they're really listening that closely. We aren't shipping anyone right now - nor do we hate anyone. We might hate something that they did, but we can all agree that we like the characters. We just want what's best for them. In fact (and I speak for myself) I can't stand the thought of Lucas being with either of the girls. BUT, maybe that's because I haven't seen all of the episodes yet...You'll be happy to know that Sarah and I will be watching and podcasting the next episode today - and from what I can tell from you amazing commenters, it's going to be a good one.

Also, for you Supernatural fans, Sarah and I are going to start those today too! The summer isn't slowing down for us - keep checking the source for some new podcasts to either love or hate, hee hee!

Well, Sarah, Jackie and Mia, do you see how defensive LP fans get when you state your opinion on LP.

They bombard you with comments, telling you you're wrong and how LP is True Love Always. It is pretty pathetic. They are upset because you are all level headed women with enlightening opinions and they can't stand the fact that you don't buy LP BS.

How can people can say that Lucas is hiding his feelings for Peyton? How?

News flash: Lucas made it clear that he could care less about a romantic relationship with Peyton right now. And he and Brooke are just friends. He is blatantly in love with Lindsey, and anyone who disagrees and says he's hiding his love for Peyton is in deep denial.

And I personally think that Lindsey was the most selfless of the girls when it came to love and Lucas, followed closely by Brooke, and last and very least Peyton. Peyton's decision to stop fighting Lindsey for Lucas wasn't really selfless because he wasn't even with her to give up to Lindsey, and she didn't really stop fighting about him or for him or whatever. And she kept whining and crying helplessly to everyone. When she finally manned up and said she was in love with the IDEA of Lucas, I regained hope for her character. But that was short-lived.

I personally hope Lucas ends up alone. He doesn't deserve anyone, and nobody should be eternally sentenced to a relationship with Lucas. I guess he's what would be referred to as a heart-breaker. I always thought that would be Nathan's role, but things in Tree Hill are clearly not how they originated, and what we always assumed would be the ultimate premise and end of the show will likely not be.

Now for the episode. I like this episode. The best part would have to be Haley regurgitating on Dan's lap. I enjoyed listening to this podcast. Keep them coming. This OTH-less summer is going to be long.

To the commenter writing to everyone,

I think this is the perfect place for me to share my opinon on Brucas fan's POV of Peyton. You commented that Peyton "went after" Lucas a second time in season 3. I have never understood those accusations; yes, Peyton hurt Brooke by sneaking around with Lucas in the 1st season, but the way I have always viewed her confession to Brooke in the 3rd season was that she "still" has feelings for Lucas. Brucas fans say that she stole him from Brooke twice, ommitting the insane notion that you can "steal someone" from another, Peyton has always had feelings for Luke and she did not tell him how she felt until she was sure that Brooke and Lucas were really over. If you go back and watch the end of the 3rd season and the beginning of the 4th you will see that she said she wasn't going to do anything about her feelings. Peyton was making sure that she was honest with Brooke because she wasn't before and it got complicated.

I believe that Brooke realized that all her fears over Lucas and Peyton's friendship connection/ whatever were founded. Eventually they ended things and it wasn't because of Peyton.

P.S.
Sara, I'm glad you can now enjoy listening to these podcasts even though right now it seems more Brucas slanted.

I meant at first. I am well aware about the sneaking around behind Brooke's back, but I was mostly talking about when they first starting dating when after seeing how happy Brooke was she just decided to back off. Of course that didn't end up working out, but she tried.

To the person who commented on my earlier comment. Sorry dont know your name.

Firstly your relationship sounds really deep with Brad Pitt lol

Anyways with regards to the CW forum? I use to be on the WB board and even though it was not always polite it was a 100 times better than the CW forum. The immaturity level on there is unbelievable. Unfortunate the majority of it is from BLers, now I havent been on their for about a yr so things might have changed so I might be wrong. For me some of the stuff said on there is just plain rude and spending time with that much trash talk can sometimes make you stoop to the level of these people hence why I try and avoid most (not all lol) LP/BL debates.

Yes I said LPs love is selfless and deep and I just did not see that level of depth with BL.
I dont know how Lucas stayed out of Brooke's happiness with Felix when they were only friends and Brooke was busy benefitting at that time. "Why did Brooke let Lucas go and not fight for him with Peyton?" Because Brooke knew and has know for a long time, once Peyton was ready to fuss up about being in love with Lucas and stop running it is only time before her and Lucas will be together. As Brooke said, she has been the Lindsey between Lucas and Peyton and it is not a good place to be at. I dont think its nice to be the third wheel for any girl or guy when it comes to LP. As Lucas said everything was a denial of the truth that he was now and will forever be in love with Peyton. Now am not saying Lucas didnt love Brooke because I think he did, just like I feel Peyton did love Jake but you cannot hide from what your heart desires. Lucas and Peyton trully love each other and thats why it will be hard for anyone coming in between them.

I also disagree with this statement "It seems to me that every time Lucas is happy with someone else, Peyton jumps in to impose herself". Lucas is ALWAYS there and when he is hiding and lying to himself about his feeling for Peyton he turns to blaming Peyton for the fact that he loves her and cant let her go fully.
Peyton did not ask him for his help in setting up her record label when she got back to tree hill but he still offered her the office rent free. She is having an innocent chat with a bartender and he tells her the guy is not good for her (and he doesnt even know the guy). Peyton and Lindsey dont get along but Lucas has to "try" and make peace. Why? It is not uncommon that two exes dont get along. He visits her late at night at work and ends up lying to Lindsey about the real reason for his visit. She tries to pay him for the office he wont accept her check. Yet its Peyton imposing herself on him. If Lucas is so happy then the return of Peyton should not affect him, but it does and like he said its still hard.

I think the most selfless thing Peyton did was letting go of Lucas coz thats what he wanted her to do. That does not mean she stopped loving him and from the episode she let go of him, she has not chased after Lucas, in fact Lucas seems to be avoiding eye contact with her. Regarding "I'm letting you go, but I'm going to hurt your fiance as much as I can and look sad and depressed when you or she is around " The Lindsey bitchfest was a two-way street and Lindsey dished out as much as Peyton. Then you have her dyeing her hair "Peyton blond". why? Lindsey seem to care way too much about whether Peyton likes her or not and frankly if it was me I wouldnt have care. Again no one said an ex-gf of your bf should be friends with you let alone a bff with you.

Regarding "depressed when you or she is around and tell you that I dream I said yes and overtake a public place with my art of a comet". I dont think Peyton has been acting depressed in front of Lucas or Lindsey unless we are watching 2 different shows. Regarding the dream have you never had a regret you wish you could take back and if you had the opportunity to take it back that you did. I know I do. I applaud her for saying it because although she was right for saying no to the proposal, if she had known it was the end of her and Lucas she would have said yes. So kudos to her for saying in her dream she said yes every time.

I was going to comment on the comet coment but this post will get even longer than it already is so am just gonna save it. All am gonna say is, S3 82 letters was extreme but it didnt bother me because at the end of the day Brooke was expressing how she felt so I cannot fault her for that. Let me ask you this honestly, if it was Brooke that expressed herself with the "giant" art then will this be an issue for you? If it is then its a shame because I felt it was a beautiful and unique way to express your love even though the person feels they "hate" you because you ruined their life.

Lets be honest now Brooke was not selflees at all I think seeing her in S5 with Lucas and Peyton shows me more of a growth and a less selfish attitude by her supporting her bff and Lucas (Mark could of course change all of this if S6 was to have BL so lets wait and see). "Brooke and Lucas are deep. They fell for each other by getting to KNOW each other, not from some distant admiration!" So Lucas and Peyton dont know each other? Also Peyton has not destroyed Lucas' relationships and how can someone destroy anyones relationship unless the relationship was fragile or broken in the first place. If you are trully in love with someone, no one can destroy it so lets be real. What it has proven is Lucas' relationships have never been strong enough because he gave his heart to a girl long before he knew her and their hasnt been anyone to erase that girl from his heart. This is why Brooke had and Lindsey now feels threaten by Peyton and LP's love. "True love bases all its decisions on the best interest of the other person, not of herself. Brooke has always put Lucas before herself." I am sorry but Brooke has ALWAYS put HERSELF first when it came to BL. This is B, fight for me, save me, love me, jump through hoops to prove that you love me and that I am the one. Yet she has never once fought for him (S4 - even Lucas pointed it out). "Peyton has always put her wants for Lucas before Lucas' wants." I disagree, both Lucas and Peyton have put the needs of each other before themselves. He is always saving her and she understands him therefore she knows what to say to him to help him through his pain and in turns saves him. That is why I think LP is selfless.

Reality is we are not gonna agree on BL or LP but like I said I dont mind BL but I just dont believe in their love and that is okay just like you probably dont believe in LP which is okay but what I try and do is not see only the negative in B or BL. So lets agree to disagree because am not gonna end up shipping BL just like you probably wont end up shipping LP from my post. Since this is long enough I best get going so take care.

I am not the person who wrote to the people you're talking about, but I think you are not understanding him/her.

They said that Brooke was selfless for letting Lucas go in season 4.

Peyton did not let Lucas go in season 1. She said she would, but she sneaked around with him anyway. Just like how in season 3, she said she wouldn't go after him because she had Jake, but then she pretty much went after him anyway. Just like in season 5, she said she would give Lucas up, but made Lindsey feel miserable and didn't stop going after Lucas.

I don't think I misunderstood the other person, but if I did, then this is just my view.

To the person who wrote To Sara & Marin,

Okay so what I gather from both of the reponses you left is that Brooke letting Lucas go and denying her feelings for him in season 4 in order for him to be happy is the right thing to do. It's selfless and shows how much she loves him...but Peyton letting him go and hiding the feelings she has for him in seson 1 so that her best friend could be happy with him was wrong and selfish? Hmmm that seems a bit like a double standard...but what do I know I'm just and immature LP fan.

Hi Alyssa, thanks for your comment and you are right about listening to the views of others whether you agree or disagree with it. My first time listening to the podcast on here I was not impressed mainly because I felt it was influenced possibly by the crazy CW bunch. I have come to realise over the past couple of years that the CW is not a true reflection of the different fanbases. I know I and most LPers left the board due to the amount of LP/BL fight, which I have to tell you gets tiring after a while. One thing about OTH you can never satisfy people and every fanbase has been screwed at one point or another. As an LP I will say LP has been screwed up the most lol but am keeping my faith. But am happy the girls are podcasting thru the seasons and it will be interesting to see how their opinion will differ over the seasons about all characters.

I love your podcast girls. I just can't wait for your next one.

and to respond to some comments...Brooke is asking help to P because she is her best friend.

pS : I hope you guys will love BL build up in S2, and their relationship (even if it wasn't perfect) in S3.

Sara,

I agree and disagree with you. I agree that the people at the CW forums tend to be immature, but you see it as the BL fans, and I see it as the LP fans. I agree that fanforum has more stringent rules and so maturity is inevitable. The BL boards there are also very articulate and analyze the beauty and meaning out of every BL scene.

I disagree because you said that LP love is selfless and deep and BL's isn't.

If BL love is not selfless, then why did Lucas stay out of Brooke's happiness (or what he perceived as happiness) with Felix? He said he wanted her to be happy! Why did Brooke let Lucas go and not fight for him with Peyton? She thought he was meant to be with Peyton and happiest with her, so she let him go, and she still is letting him go! And she wants him to be happy with Lindsey and he wants her to be happy with Owen.

However, it seems to me that every time Lucas is happy with someone else, Peyton jumps in to impose herself. She says "I'm letting you go." But actions speak louder than words (words that should never be spoken if it's a TRUE sacrifice I might add). I'm letting you go, but I'm going to hurt your fiance as much as I can and look sad and depressed when you or she is around and tell you that I dream I said yes and overtake a public place with my art of a comet (because I'm selfish and I want to impose that I AM the comet, even if you say that I'm not) is NOT letting him go.

Brooke and Lucas are deep. They fell for each other by getting to KNOW each other, not from some distant admiration! That's like saying that my relationship with Brad Pitt is deep because I admired him from afar and drew mustaches on the face of Jen and Angelina because they were with him (which never happened by the way, lol).

Peyton destroys Lucas' relationships because she can't let him be happy if he's not with her. She's done it 3 times now. That is not selfless, deep love. That is immature, selfish behavior.

True love bases all its decisions on the best interest of the other person, not of herself. Brooke has always put Lucas before herself. Peyton has always put her wants for Lucas before Lucas' wants. She really thinks he's hers, and anyone who gets in the way (Brooke, Brooke AGAIN, Lindsey) will just be a casualty of selfishness.

Marin,

Brooke is not selfish in asking Peyton for help. Peyton made it clear to her that she has no interest in Lucas anymore (although she clearly is lying about that). Are you telling me that if you were in love with a person who loved... tennis, and you totally hated tennis, you wouldn't ask your tennis-loving best friend who could "care less" (as Peyton makes it seem) about your lover for advise? How is that selfish?

I thought I would comment again because I just read Sara's comment.

Sara, if you happen to read this I am glad that you gave the podcast another chance. I am a Leyton shipper as well, but I enjoy listening to these podcasts because no matter what is said they all do a great job of analysing the show. Plus, over the summer it is my OTH fix. I like to hear them talk about all the characters then share my opinion on what I agreed AND disagreed with, that is the fun part. Hearing a different view makes it more fun to listen to.

I probably shouldn't be posting here since I've stopped listening to your podcasts because of all the negativity towards Peyton and that sometimes you don't rewind and rewatch to get your facts straight about what transpired in the episode before you comment on it.
To me this episode shows that Lucas can't leave Peyton alone. Brooke is being selfish by asking Peyton to help her out with him. The Travis CD is just a small example - Peyton told her tracks 8 & 11 and she can't even invest enough time to remember a detail like this to "connect more" with Lucas...fake though it may be.
Lucas states himself, albeit in a later episode, that Brooke's "all about fun" and Peyton is the one he "shares a huge emotional connection with".
I'm a Leyton fan and love S5 Brooke I just can't listen to your podcasts and not get ticked off.

Hi Girls its Sara, the one that was slightly harsh and said you wasted 13mins of my life by listening to one of your podcast. Well I was told you commented on it in one of your podcasts so I gave you guys another chance and listened to your podcast.

Firstly I will like to applaud you guys for watching and podcasting through season 1. I have even made the time and listened to them all and although I might not agree with everything that you guys say, I appreciate that you are watching it and making your mind up for yourself rather than be influenced by what others say.
You might be surprise to know I found OTH by accident about 2 and half yrs ago, I think it was middle of season 3. What was good is that the first episode I watched was the pilot episode and ended up watching all episodes throughout the 3 season over 4wks. First time on an online forum was around 316.
My point is I was able to enjoy the show and form my own opinion and during that time ended up shipping Lucas and Peyton more than I have shipped any couple on tv before. I have to say coming online introduced me to a crazy world consisting of billions of Brucas/Leyton debates. I was so clueless that I didnt even know their was chopia (chad and sophia). Personally I dont mind Brucas but I prefer Leyton mainly because I love how unselfish their love is and their is a deeper connection I see with them that I could never see with Brucas (even though they were cute together). Also being on forums can sometimes be influencing so I am kinda happy I was able to not have inputs from friend, family or online forums or possibly chopia relationship to influence who I ship.
I have to also say that sometimes online forums are not so bad, personally I find that a lot of people on the CW board are immature and childish so I spend a lot of time on fanforum and I tell you the lucas and peyton fan on there are articulate and mature and the way they analyse things that most viewers probably miss will give you an even greater love for the show but for me an even greater love for lucas and peyton.

Anyways regardless of who you do and dont ship thanks for watching season 1 and making your mind up for yourself. Hope this does not sound rude I think its better that the two of you girl are podcasting through the episodes at the mo as it seems you had not watched any of the previous seasons before. The naley chick currently in Italy can sometimes come across as imposing her views on you guys instead of just letting you have your own opinion hence why I think the two of you are better than the trio (sorry).

Lastly, the stuff about the travis cd, Peyton told Brooke 8 and 11 but what I think they were tryin to show is Brooke being insecure because she does not have anything in common with Lucas and that scares her and by trying to be "Peyton" it backfired because she does not know anything about Travis hence why she said 8 and 13. This annoyed me about Brooke in the episode because she was trying to change who she is to please a guy and can I add, a guy that likes your bestfriend but is trying to tell himself he doesnt and they are only friends yet does the opposite by constantly trying to be near her. When someone tries to change themselve to be an equal with another person because they dont think they are good enough then thats not a healthy relationship in fact its not a relationship. This is because the person does not love you for you but for who you want them to think you are. This is why I was never on the Brucas train and find it hard to ship Brucas. Now as crazy as the idea of Brucas was in S2, I was wiling to see if it could happen but something was always missing for me with them. Now (S5), I actually prefer their friendship but thats all.

Anyway goodluck with 112 and the start of all heated Brucas/Leyton debate lol. Sorry my post is so long.

Great podcast! I am so looking forward to the next one ☺☺☺ I'm really glad that you are recognizing Lucas's part in the mess that is about to happen. I loved the "it's like eating a hot fudge sundae in front of an anorexic" HAHA I agree Peyton is trying to make herself think she doesn't have feelings for him and he is not helping. But, being a leyton fan I like seeing Lucas want to spend time with her.

Sorry forgot one thing. What is with Lucas hanging out with Peyton's dad? Is that just an excuse for him to be at Peyton's all the time. I mean he can't have the best of both worlds. I'm not really a Brucas fan or a Leyton fan(I'm a Naley fan all the way) but at this moment I feel like Brucas should be together and Peyton should go have fun with Jake.

I just watched the Whitey/Nathan part to see what you girls were talking about and Whitey asks Nathan if he really loves the game. Nathan says he loves it, but he hates what it's doing to his life. Then Whitey is like i think you found your answer.
Loved the Whitey impressions. They were hilarious. I'm so glad that you put out so many podcasts this week. Can't wait for more.
Loved Naley. The end scene with them was one of my favorite Naley scenes. I'm so excited for you to comment the BoyToy Auction episode and for you to watch the first Naley "I love you." Plus more love triangle comments.
I think you're right. Someone should puke in Dan's lap every week.
P.S. Just so you know that you have more fans out there. Sarah you are my favorite. And not just because you have the same name as me.

yay Brucas. I love this episode although like you said Brooke was acting just a lil bit paranoid. I'm surprised you didn' mention anything about Jake. I think you guys will like the next episode.

Btw, Mia thanks for the heads up about the Supernatural podcast. Can't wait to listen to them.

Hey guys I love your podcast it's so much fun I love hearing you guys talk about oth you guys are hilarious! Thanks so much for the podcast please keep them coming :) And I am a leyton fan just in case but I really hate how Peyton keeps denying and telling Brooke she is fine with them oh and also the "trust" her haha that is so funny but I love peyton! and it's 8 and 11 but I really think Brooke was in her own world it's funn though!!

Thanks and can't wait to hear another one of your crazy podcasts :)

Great podcast guys, I felt for brooke this episode becuase this was her first serious relationship and she wasn't sure if she was doing something wrong or not. Lucas showing up at peytons door this episode made no sense becuase the episode before she couldn't even be around him and all of a sudden they were hanging out like nothing happend??? but the end was really sweet were lucas told brooke that he liked that they were different and kissed it was a very awwww moment. now I liked bad haley, it was great to see her be bad for once and I loved the scene between her and lucas, when lucas said he's got you skipping now then haley goes talk to me when you get your tatoo removed. I was like ohhhh burn! Loved how they both were dating the same person but never really aproved. Hello guys Nathan & Brooke are practically the same. well I really can't wait to hear next weeks, its when all hell's break loose and my hatred for peyton started.

yeahh she said 8 and 11 and then brooke messed it up and said 13 but theres not track 13

next episodeee wow a pretty good one
intense for brucas and leyton fans
cant wait to hear your guys opinions because this one is a pretty controversial one for the brucas vs leyton fight

Another podcast this week? You guys rock!

I loved the barfing in Dan's lap! HILARIOUS!

Naley was adorable when he said that he lover her for HER and he loves that a girl like her sees something in him! One of my all-time favorite Naley moments.

The Brucas "rat's ass" moment was one of my favorite Brucas moments. And I like how they said that even thought they don't have the same interests doesn't mean they don't care about each other. This is one of Brooke's more vulnerable moments that Lucas talked about in the season 5 finale. "I always see you that way Brooke. I think it's beautiful." I felt really bad for her in this one. Lucas was always with Peyton, using her dad as the cover for their frequent meetings.

Lucas always showing up at Peyton's or using any excuse to be with Peyton annoyed me (even though AT THE TIME, I was a Leyton fan). I just didn't like where it was going. I didn't like that he was lying to Brooke about it. It just gave me a different view of Lucas. If he's sneaking around (although not doing any cheating YET) with Peyton, what makes Peyton think he won't do it to her?

Anyway, can't wait for your next podcast!

Totally enjoyed this podcast. So much better than reviewing centripetal force or hydrocarbons or derivatives. Your impersonations of Whitey are hilarious. And now you've got me wishing Dan got puked on every episode. Glad we all agree that Nathan is a sweet heart but I didn't think that his comment to Lucas was bitchy. At least not the way he said it. It could have been but I didn't it was. Anyway .. until next week .. I think I'll enjoy your opinions of "Crash Course in Polite Conversation". That's a pretty juicy episode right there!

yeah peyton did say 8 and 11

im pretty sure she said tracks 8 and ll and brooke didnt remember it right