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to answer to the question in last comment:
how can a person who is exactly like u complete you?
imagin a half of a circle,.it will be complete and turn to a whole circle by another half of the circle,they both are exactly like eachother,but they complete eachother too.that's just a simple example of it.so,soulmates CAN complete eachother.and maybe your true love is your soulmate and maybe not,there is not a rule about it.but i think when your true love is your soulmate too,that's the most beautiful option.
and about brook's quote"lucas scott was the one boy that i would have lost it all for"i already explained this in my last comment,it seems you didnt notice it.i say it again,i think she meant she still havent find a guy as good as lucas.she still havent find a guy that she would have lost it all for again,like she did with lucas,and that she is still waiting for such a guy.and about the mouth thing,it is gigi who will come back and create drama for mouth and millicent.i read this in spoilers,but somewhere els i also read that rachel will be in season 6 too,but then again who knows.i guess we have to wait a few days and see,not just about this one,we are gonna find out about lucas and whom he is gonna call and marry,and whether dan is dead or not and so many other things,im excited about season 6 too!

Ok, so i've read what Anna has to say and I will admit, she brings up some valid points, but I think I can counteract some of them.

Yes, you will always see a connection, a deep connection between Lucus and Peyton. Infact, I do think they're soulmates. However, I do believe their is a difference between being soulmates and being the "one" for eachother. I think it comes down to a simple breakdown of Lucus' character.

Haley = best Friend. Definition of best friend means the person who grew up with you, knows you best, and is honestly the one person you know you can always count on, no matter what, to forgive you and always have your back.

Peyton = Soulmates. Soulmates is defined as the person who is most like you. Infact, if you look in a mirror or replaced bodies with eachother, the attitudes and personalities would be the same.

Brooke - True love always. The definition equals out to the one person who throughout time always holds that special place in your life, the one you've gone through so much with, your history, the one you fight for, the one who you see as you future. The one where even though people change, love remains the same.

Now sometimes, soulmates and best friends are one in the same i.e. Joey and Dawson. And your best friend can be your true love, i.e. Ross and Rachel. But never, EVER, is your soulmate the same as your lover.

Why can that be you ask? Real simple fact, we crave for a connection that is deep that it can overcome everything and anything, a yearning for something different, something that completes us. Now, I ask you, if the person you are meant to be with is EXACTLY like you, how can this person complete you?

Now, the point made about Brooke not loving Lucus that way is incorrect. Infact, if it was correct, why would she have said, "Lucus Scott was the one boy that I would have lost it all for." Plus she's just as upset about Lucus marrying Lindsey as Peyton was, she just showed a different way to show it. Proof in point. Karen returns to tell both girls that you may not get what you want in life, but what makes you stronger is finding something else that helps fill that void, and Brooke mentions a baby. Do you people honestly think it was a coincindence that Brooke gets baby angie after Lucus' almost wedding. Now i know the argument is going to be that she wanted that beforehand, but people, come on, this is television, do you really think that the timing of when we found out about this wasn't a little bit of foreshadowing about insecurities. You have to understand Brooke feels like Lucus is bound to Peyton forever, and they are in a way. This is her insecurity of thinking that he might not think of her the same way. She says so herself, and this is what Lucus is going to have to show her, is that she wants him to fight for her, show her she's the one, and we got a whole new season to see how this develops.

Ok, with the writing, that's a very good point you made about the writing, and I will agree, but come on, Him and Brooke were on the outs at that point, everyone knows it, why do you think he would use the words "for now she is" So even though his second passion is the writing, his writing always begins with a thought of Brooke. After all both Brooke Davis and Lucus Scott are going to change he world someday and they don't even know it. And it looks like they are in their ways.

Ok, and also with this comet angle. People are taking the comet way too literally. to quote Lucus, so what, Peyton drives a comet, why does everyone assume it's about Peyton. Last time I checked, Brooke returns the same time Peyton does, the rest of the book states the comet returns shows that his life has meaning. Why does it have to be Peyton? i find it way too ironic that both girls always happen to return at the same time, and we are to automatically assume it's about Peyton. Wish we knew more about that damn book. lol

My final thought is the dreams come true angle. Lucus claims to both girls he wants them their when his dreams come true. First Brooke then Peyton. But those are his words, and let's be honest, Lucas has no clue what he wants, it 's another underlying issue in the show. But, the facts show that the one common tread is that Brooke is ACTUALLY the one there when all his dreams come true.

I guess this shows season 6 is gonna be interesting.

Ps: I know this is not the subject to write about this, but does anyone else think rachel is coming back, and if she does, it's gonna create drama for Mouth and Millicent? There are many other things to focus on in this show. LOL

Ok, i'm done....for now :-)

LP needs to give it up. Seriuosly I'm sick of them. I agree with EVERYTHING Sam wrote!

BRING BRUCAS BACK for S6!!!

OK, first, let me say that I don't happen to have a pre-occupation with either BL or LP. What I can say is that I have re-watched the whole series three times in the last few months. The very first time I saw the series, I thought it was obvious LP were meant for each other. But the more I see it, the more I question that. It almost seems like their initial attraction was a distraction from the upcoming Brucas relationship.

The thing that drives me crazy about all of it is that whenever Lucas is "fair game" Peyton doesn't seem to give a care. It's as soon as he's with someone (Brooke, Lindsay) that she chases him. S1, he's taken, she goes for it. S2, he's single, she wants Jake. S3, he's with Brooke, she kisses him. S5, he's about to marry Lindsay, and she kisses him again. The only exception is S4, and that was also after she had told him she loved him (not once, but twice - library school shooting, and in her room). Brooke, on the other hand, has never resorted to cheating or pining after taken men (unless you count Chris Keller). So in that regard I root for Brooke to simply get her way, whatever it is.

I also keep reading about "Lucas wrote this" and "Lucas said that." When has his word ever been final? I don't believe a word he writes or says about anyone. When he actually backs up his words, let me know.

So as of right now, I'm actually more interested in Lindsay, because she seems to be "what he wants," at least at the moment, lol. Either way, the show has more going for it than LP, BL, or LL, so just end it already!

oh my god,i cant believe that i have to comment again,first let me say im not a leytoner or brucaser,so im just gonna say what i think its true.
to sam,the perdon who wrote last comment,i should say i really liked the first half of your comment and i think what you said about season 1,season 2,and half of season 3 was right,but about the rest im not so sure.brook and lucas both admitted in front of brook's and rachel's house that what they had wasnt true love,and even before she admitted to rachel that she doesnt have have feelings for lucas anymore,so its not just about her insecurities about leyton.and about the hotel room in texas,yeah it was hard for her,because its hard for a girl to watch her ex having sex with someon els,especially almost not so long after their break up,wether she still have feelings for her ex or not,and she was more upset because she couldnt find the love she wantedand she was upet because her last few relationships failed.her exact words,not mine.(when she was talking to chris keller)and about the book thing,lucas started writting before the break up with brook,proof:one of the first sentences of his book was:brook daivis is my girlfriend,at least for now she is.and he started writting neither for brook or peyton,he started writting because it was his second passion in life and he admitted that he couldnt play basketball any longer.but about the second book,he definitely wrote because of peyton,if not,why would he refer to the comet thing???and in season 5 when brook said that about lucas,i think she maent she couldnt fimd a guy as good as lucas and that she is waiting and searching for the right person.but anyway i liked the reasoning thing about your comment.but i think brook definitely moved on an is waiting for the ONE.and in season 4 i definitelysaw a deep love between lucas and peyton,i dont think anyone acn deny it.what brook thinks is right,he always shares a deeper connection with peyton.and i think one of these two things will happen in season 6:
lucas picks lindsay but it wont work out and he will undrestand he made a mistake and will try to get peyton back.or:
lucasn picks peyton and they both find their happiness,until something will ruin it again,like pregnancy issue with lindsay,or something like that,but they will find a way to deal with it and will get through it.
so i think sooner or later it is leytoners that will be pleased not brucasers

Ok, first of let me explain that the very first episode I ever saw of One Tree Hill happened to be last season when I saw Peyton reject Lucus' proposal. Then I saw him meet up with Brooke and even though they didn't get together, I saw an amazing chemistry there and wondered what ever happened between the two of them so I decided to buy all the dvd's for everyone season and figure out this whole Brucus v. Leyton thing for myself before making a decision.

Ok, so onto the arguement...

Season 1 - Lucus and Peyton definately had this "tortured" chemistry thing where it was obvious they kinda were pining for eachother, and Brooke was a low class flirt who really was a little shallow and immature. Eventually Lucus got with Brooke but you always had a feeling that things wouldn't work out because of this attraction Lucus and Peyton shared and the differences that brucus had and the insecurities she felt with him. Her exact words were that she didn't feel like she was enough for him back then. The only good part about Brucus at that point in time was the fact that Brooke showed Lucus that he doesn't have to be "tortured" all the time. So eventually, with all the sneaking going on, Peyton and Lucus kinda get together. However, I also got the feeling that wasn't gonna be the end all because as nice as it was, there was just wasn't enough to go on, and they eventually decided to part ways when Lucus left. Infact when Lucus left, both Peyton and Brooke infact hated Lucus for leaving, so all those feeling went away. So the edge for season one goes to Leyton. Now...

Season 2 - Boy did this show take a drastic turn. Coming into this season, I have to say I felt a deeper connection with Leyton. However, I witnessed a drastic change in terms of the personality of Brooke. She stopped being the party girl and became more responsible and you witnessed a completely different girl. infact, I believe Mouth said it best in season 2 that the one thing Lucus and Brooke both shared is that they both have the same big heart. That fact cannot be lost, and I'll explain why later. The main point shared throughout all of season two was the "search" for love. deep, true, true love always love. The season can be summed up best in the finale with one simple quote. "Shaw once wrote that Gaining and Losing one's heart desire is considered tragic" That was the emphesis of the whole season. The search and lost of one's heart's desire and how each character viewed it. Ok, so let's look at how things went, when we left off, you had the feeling that Leyton would still have underlying issues. However, neither Lucus or Peyton searched for eachother as their heart's desire. Instead, Peyton found love in Jake and lost Jake at the same time. Therefore tragic, but completely worth it in peyton's eyes because she got the one thing she wished for in this world most and that was to find love. And Lucus was to be credited for that because he brough jake back into Peyton's life. Right there, you saw a dramatic shift in how they viewed eachother. Lucus didn't crave Peyton or vice versa. He was there to "save her" when she needs to be saved. He will always be there to save her when she needs to be saved. Just like he will always be there to save Haley when she needs to be saved. Proof in that, he leaves to New York and makes Haley realize that the music means nothing without Nathan and her true, real friends. Does that mean romance for Lucus and Haley? No, so why does everyone assume it needs to be with Peyton? Further, Lucus' search for one's heart desire does not lead him towards Peyton, after witnessing a change in Brooke, his heart's desire leads him towards Brooke. Fact 1, Lucus tells Anna that there's a girl from his past that he screwed up with that he needs to find because he feels like she's slipping away and he has to tell her how he feels. Even Anna, who was not around during the whole original love triangle, realizes that he's talking about Brooke, not Peyton. Fact 2, when Brooke is leaving for Cali, Lucus convinces his mom to let her move in, which once again, helps change brooke's character by showing her a "real mother." He tells her he's not ready to lose the girl behind the red door and she was not ready to be lost. Season 2 was about actually developing a chemistry between a new Brooke and Lucus, which took the whole season, and let's be honest here, everyone could see it. However, toward the end, a big stab that brough Brooke back to her insecurities were the letters she found of Peyton. That put her guard up again which is why she was afraid to be with Lucus even though Peyton told her it was ok. Because she was scared to let Lucus back in because the good guys lie to get into your heart. Her words not mine. So he confesses his love to her, and we are left wondering if Brucus is meant to be. Keep in the mind, the general point of the story shifts from two brothers to their relationships with their friends. So season 2 goes to brucus. Which brings us into season 3.....

Season 3 - By far and away the best season on the show. There was so many twists and turns. first fact against Leyton, guys come on, they had all summer to rekindle a romance and Lucus still wanted Brooke, and showed no interest in Peyton all season. We return to see that Brooke wrote all these love notes to Lucus, once again showing the maturity of Brooke, but her insecurities about Peyton and Lucus, forced her not to send them. So Lucus fights for her. As a guy, you have no idea how hard it is for a guy to truly fight for her, but if you feel it's worth it, you do. He put up with all the crap she gave him about the non-exclusive thing, to sleeping with Chris, and in the end, the best scene of all time, when Brooke finally confesses her love to Lucus, he forgives her, like she forgives him for everything, and they admit they love eachother. The first time either one of them admitted anything to that nature. Their love seemed so genuine and real and it seemed perfect. However, Peyton was going through a bad time in her life and she needed Lucus and Lucus was there for her. It was hard for Brooke but she had to see if she could trust Lucus and Peyton had shown no interest in Luke for a while so she had the feeling that her best friend was over him. It seemed to be going great until Keith dies. We see a change in Lucus and as much as Brooke tries to get in to save him, no one can. Not even Haley. He needs to go through this alone, that's just Lucus' tortured personality. Eventually, he breaks through until we get toward the end where Peyton realizes that she might have feeling for Lucus again. Now, the biggest issue with this is that she tells Brooke. Brooke's biggest fear in the world is that Lucus is not over Peyton which is the underlying story. That brings out all of Brooke's insecurities about her relationship with Lucus. Remember, she has a hard time with this major issue and it's a big issues. it's the same issue Pacey always wrestled with Dawson and Joey until the very end. Soul mates vs. true love always. The end of this season is very key, Peyton asks Brooke is she really loves Lucus. Brooke doesn't give an answer. But the last scene between the two of them, Brooke says to Peyton, "You know, you asked me if I love Lucus, and I have my answer, but you don't deserve to hear it." You figure out her answer in later seasons, but she definately feels betrayed by Peyton for even questioning her feeling for Lucus because to be honest at this point in time it's not her place. So season 3 goes to Brucus. Which leads us to season 4....

Season 4 - Ok, to my previous question is yes, and I believe she realizes that but by the time she lets all the anger and hate go, it's too late which I will explain. Brooke's underlying feel of betrayal by Peyton has left her in a dark place in which Lucus is a victim because he really didn't do anything wrong, I know that might kill some girls for saying, but they've already forgiven eachother for their past mistakes in season 1 so Lucus gets thrown under a bus, and while the whole time fighting for Brooke in the beginning, he has Peyton there to save him. This fact cannot be lost because Peyton is there for him. And Lucus is there for her during the whole stalker incidents. These two will always be there to save eachother. Just like Lucus and Haley save eachother. Lucus' heart wouldn't have it any other way, like Brooke's is. Which I will explain later. First off, I've read a lot of people explain that Lucus only writes because of Peyton. Ummm, to be honest, if you look at the facts, Lucus writes about his life while he is going through it, but he starts writing ALWAYS because of Brooke. When Brooke and Lucus break up, he srats writing. Now, eventually, and this is what you Brucus fans have to hold onto, Brooke's maturity in life (kinda Karen'sh) rises to the top. She forgives Peyton and realizes she needs her friend like she forgives and sees the good in rachel. Then even though Lucus always claimed that he wanted Brooke there when his dreams came true, Brooke sees still feels the insecurities about Leyton and pushes him towards Peyton and they start dating. Now, I know this next part is going to kill a lot of Leyton lovers out there, but when Leyton was together, even though it was nice, I never felt a "deep" love a fighting love that I witnessed in Season 3 between Brucus. Call it character chemistry, storyline, whatever, but it just wasn't as strong I'm sorry. I felt more to me like what Haley and Lucus would be like if they were ever to get together. But the problem with brucus that a lot of Brucus fans miss is that Brooke's insecurities about Leyton are still strong and unresolved which is why when they went to break Mouth out of jail, she couldn't bear to watch them in the hotel room. It's obvious she still has feeling for Lucus but she doesn't feel like Lucus' connection to her is as strong as it is toward Peyton, which as incorrect as it might be, it's how Brooke sees the situation. So what we learn from season 4 is that Brooke still has feelings for Luke, but her heart is the same as Luke's and if she feels Lucus' feeling are for Peyton she's not gonna stand in the way, unlike Peyton does, sorry. So season 4 goes to Leyton but barely. Actually some might say that it could go either way. Which leads us to season 5....

Season 5 - Boy has Tree Hill Changed. First off, Peyton does return for Lucus but for people who think that Lucus returned for Peyton, that's not true. He was happy with lindsey, sorry but it's the truth. He returned to find himself. That's why he returned. Brooke returned because she has accomplished everything in her life that she focused on since breaking up with Lucus and she was never as happy as she was in tree hill but still has her huge heart, like Lucus. Peyton craves Lucus, Lucus doesn't crave Peyton. Oh, and to the book phase, yeah, Lucus starts writing again, but only after the episode where Peyton resuses his proposal he spends the day with Brooke, goes to see Brooke and they discuss that day wondering if things would turn out differently. Sorry, but it's the truth. Also, as much as people say that Lucus wants Peyton there when all his dreams come true, the one person who is actually there is Brooke. So you can definately witness the chemistry. However, you can't deny that Brooke still feels like Leyton is to be together. Eventually, Lucus and Lindsay break up leaving him in a dark place, and the person who saves him this time is Brooke not Peyton, and the person who saves Brooke during baby angie is Lucus. They even admit that they will always love eachother. And Brooke also states in the season that Lucus Scott was the one boy that she might have lost it all for. So she definately loves him. But Brooke's insecurities tell her that Lucus is bound to be with Peyton and she won't get in the way which is why she didn't hook up with him. At this point Lucus is definately a little lost on love which is why Haley tells him to stop hiding his heart. So then we have the cliff hanger which i won't get into cause you all know......
So my predictions..........

Season 6 - Brooke has insecurities she needs to overcome with Leyton so I'm sorry Brucus fans, but your best hope is that he chooses Peyton to begin this season. Why do i say that, because if he chooses Peyton, it's way too early to solve the crisis, which leads to eventually Lucus realizing that even though him and Peyton are soulmates, Brooke is his love but he's gotta fight for her and leave Peyton for her and show her that he wants her. True love always wins out right. So if the story is just beginning, and Peyton is who he chooses first, I think the end all with please Brucus fans, but you gotta be patient and let the story develop because Brooke's insecurities have always been an underlying issue through the whole term of this show.

So endgame = Brucus!! you just have to play it out.

to person who respond me and about the conversation between lucas and kaeren,i should say the moment before that conversation, brook told lucas:"i love you and i probably always will".so i dont think lucas thought that she didnt love him back,so i think the conversation was about himself.and yes,he loved brook,he probably loved lindsay,peyton loved jake too,so they can love other people,BUT as i said they cant love other people the way they love eachother and as much as they love eachother.and skillz and brook didnt push him,they made him face his feelings for peyton

its funny,lpers think that blers are not logical and blers think the same about lpers!anyway,i dont care,i just hope lucas finally make up his mind and choose someone and stick with it!and i dont know that if lucas still loves peyton or not,but about the last comment lucas did look at peyton the way he looked at her in season one,specially in season 4 and a few moments in season 5,i can tell you that

LEYTON NEEEDDS TO GIVE IT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you cant say it enough!
>To marry the talk Lucas had with Karen wasnt about Brooke it was about Lucas. And Brooke never really got over Lucas since in S5 she said that she could have lost it all for Lucas Scott. And Peyton on the other was not willing to quit her crappy mail job. That just shows which girl really loves Lucas.
Brucas was not anymore highschool than Leyton. Leyton was together after highschool but they didnt keep in touch and couldnt make it. And back to that denial thing. Yeah I dont know why its so hard for LPers to think that its impossible for Lucas and Peyton to fall in love with other people. Lucas made it pretty clear that he wanted and loved Brooke NOT Peyton in s2 and 3. Both girls were available in S2 but Lucas picked Brooke. And when he said "I do" to Lindsey he was once agian in denial. I am ofcourse being sarcastic. Lucas really did love Lindsey and Brooke. LPers love to play the denial card because they never want to use logic and resonsing for anything. I think the only girl he showed the least interest in was Peyton. After season 1 he didnt even look at her in that way. Until Brooke and Skills pushed him towards Peyton. Peyton herself kept on questioning Lucas' love for Brooke almost like she wanted Lucas to stop fighting for her and start going after her. I cant believe how many times I heard "are you sure Lucas" Lucas showed her her place when he said "you cant help you love Peyton" and he was talking about BROOKE. lol

I really hope Mark reads this and realizes what a huge mistake Leyton was/is.

about the last comment,i dont know that if brucas has a larger fanbase or not,maybe it really has,i dont know but there was some comments that was written twise,by several ids,and it was from both lpers and blers.and about the comment that was written in to response me.im a NH fan,i think they are the main couple of the show,so im not going to die if P and L wont end up together and im not insecure with my life,trust me on that,but about PLB i prefer L with P,and i already said my reasons,but i didnt mean to offense anyone or anyone's opinion,and im sorry if i made u angry and upset,but u could respond me more politely,cause after all this is a civilized discussion,right?you could say what you thinke is wrong,or something like that

Leyton needs to give it up. They have no chemistry and look disgustiing together.
Also I read someones comment accusing BLers yet again of having fake acounts...Seriously, deal with it Brucas has a larger fanbase.

first,about a comment down there from tara i have to correct the quote she wrote
lucas:mom,what did u do when dan didnt LOVE U BACK?how did you get over it?
karen:when i do i will get back to u!
yes,and this was right after brook broke up with lucas,and she said u dont miss me and all the other stuff u all know.lucas asked this question because he was worried about brook,because he wanted to know that can brook get over him,because he didnt love her back the way she deserved and deep down he knew it(and thank god brook did move on).and about some other comment that said "brucas wasnt like whitey and camilla"isnt a good reason and that everyone's love is different from the other ones,i should say yes
its different,but they didnt say they had to be exactly like them,what they meant was that their love for each other wasnt true love,
like someone said it was like a high school romance,and they realized it themselves.and someone said peyton screwed brucas,i have to say,it was lucas' feelings towards peyton that ruined brucas(althogh he did his best to deny them and hide them,something that he did again when he was with lindsay,but in both times eventually his true feelings came out)
and besid i really love brook,she deserves to be with someone who can love her completely and with his whole heart,and i know and she realized it herself that lucas cant love anybody the way he loves peyton or as much as he loves peyton.(although he have a problem to admit that)in naly's wedding:
lucas:i love u,i dont know how els to say it
brook:how about to show it........why dont u ever let me all the way in?(while she pointed at his heart in the same time).anyway the point of the questino is about leyton,but i had to said those things.as for leyton i'd like to remind a quote that brook said in naleys wedding:when things get hard,when every thing changes,true love remains the same.
its been like 5 or 6 years(or even more)that they love eachother,and they still do love eachother,although i admit both of them screwed a lot,but they were and still are so young,and people in young age makes a lot of mistakes,we all have made our own mistakes,so i believe they should not give up.and im sorry for my english,its not my first language.

to who ever that sent that pathetic message two comments down
you must revolve youre life around this show too much, because you sound like if peyton and lucas arn't end game, your going to die
the only one who sounds insecure about thier love life is you

but whatever. my vote goes to brooke and lucas, but truly, if they don't get back together, i'm NOT going to go into cardiac arrest.

oh,and one more thing about the last comment before me,lucas told brook that he is the guy for her,but i have to remind he also took it back later.
so my final word is that lp should not give up,though i admit im tired of this,so please let these two be together.

oh,and one more thing.about the last comment before me,i have to remidlucas told brook im the guy for you,but he also took it back later

brucas was over,long time ag.i dont undrestand why some people insist so much that they have to be toghether,they realized it themselvese that they were not meant to be,why dont u guys get it?brucas is not even there anymore,the choice is between peyton and lindsay.and i have to tell u that i watched every season several times,and im sure that mark considered lucas and peyton to end up toghether since the beginig,cause even when brook and luke were together,there was always such a doubt in brook's eyes about lucas' feelings,cause she knew that deep down he loved peyton.but i think the reason that many people hate leyton is that in real life they r in brook's position,they r hurt because someone didnt love them because of somebody els

LP neeeeeeds to give it up already...damn it! their story line wasnt interesting in s1 and its not interesting now. They are just a miserable couple, and have zero chemistry.
Here's why they dont belong togther:
-They are fake
-They look alike
-They are boring
-They dont grow as a couple
-They are wayyyyyyy better with other people (Lucas with Brooke and Peyton with Jake)
-They are annoying and pathetic
-They are too depressing
-They have no personality
-Both Lucas and Peyton need Brooke in their lives to have some personality
-They hurt people
-They cheat
-They have never fought for each other
-They bail on each other
-They dont deserve a happy ending
-Lucas belongs with Brooke
-Peyton belongs with Jake
-S2
-S3
-They are better off as friends
-They make people not watch OTH
-They make the worst couples ever look good
-They make no sense
-Peyton is too obssesed with Lucas
-They have no couple like issues
- Lucas said "I do" to Lindsey
- Lucas said "I hate you" to Peyton
-Their love is not reciprocal
-Lucas never seems interested in Peyton except in S1 we all know it was just a crush
-Lucas's response to Brooke's "ILY" was "ILY too Pretty girl"
-Lucas's response to Peyton's "ILY" was "OH"
- He wanted to try again with Brooke
-Brooke Davis is the one for Lucas Scott
-Lucast Scott is the guys for Brooke davis (His words not mine)
-Brooke's his pretty girl and Peyton's his....ummm umm... nothing!
- Broody belongs with Cheery
-Lucas and Brooke were fun
- Brucas had amazing chemistry
-Peyton proposed to Jake
-Lucas was Brooke's first Love
-Jake was Peyton's first love
-Brucas, Naley and Jeyton is the way its suppose to be

Can you honestly image the show just being about Leyton? It would be the worst show ever. With Peyton painting emo art and Lucas on his laptop. While emo music plays in the background.
Thank God for Brucas, Naley and Jeyton!

HERE IS WHAT LP's concept of LOVE is: "If we can't be together, we can't be happy. We are only happy when we have each other and we both know that. That's why I want you so much. I wanted to be with you so much. Just because I go saying no to your proposal (Peyton) and I said "I do" to another girl (Lucas) doesn't mean the end. I still want you. All the time. Even when it makes me sick and I cry a lot. You and I SHOULD be together. I love you."

I don't care which ways Mark wants to end it...if he wants Leyton to be end-game then whatever. I never approved of this couple to be a romantic kind. Platonic and meaningful, yes. They have a special, complex connection. But not as a romantic couple.LEYTON are MORE THAN FRIENDS but also LESS THAN LOVERS. So if LP is end-game, then that's just sad. OTH lost one point on that part. At least we still have Naley.

Leyton all the way. I've watched the season from the beginning and its always been a fight between Brucas and Leyton. Even when Luke was with Brooke he always came back to Peyton and even in the 5th season when Luke was with Lindsey he still looked back at Peyton. If Mark puts Brucas back together I probably will be ready to leave OTH for good. Everyone says they broke up b/c of the divorce in real life and yes that is partially true, but why would you want a couple on TV to be so fake when you know they dislike each other in real life. In the beginning they had chemistry but now if they are back together it will just look utterly sad and a desperate attempt to make the so called fans happy. So to me its Leyton all the way and hopefully Brooke can find someone else in the meantime.

Urgh. Leyton. The spoilers are absolutely AWFUL. I thought Mark said he would make the decision who to take to Vegas ultimately on the poll, which was Brooke!! (right?)

There are so many more Brucas fans, and new ones regularly, despite Mark romantically ignoring Brucas, except for about 2 episodes this season.

If Leyton are endgame, Mark had better get ready for thousands of venomous e-mail, and nasty parcels - and thats just from me.

(Jokes about the parcels, but not about the hate mail. I wont stop for years, until I release all the pent-up anger/frustration, if BL aren't together.)

I want to know why some people think Lucas and Peyton are soulmates? WHY? Because Lucas had a crush on her throughout school? Because they almost got in a hit in run? Because he fixed her car? Because they cheat on people to satisfy their needs? Because Lucas uses recycled lines on her? Because they had sex in a dirty motel room? Because they had a cookie dough fight they couldn't pull off to save their lives?

They are so boring! There is absolutely nothing interesting about this couple. They like the same music, they wear the same clothes, they have the same hair, they're both tortured - when did this become a good thing by the way? Did I miss where they became epic? He wrote a book based on what? A bloody leg, cheating, and a psycho stalker? So Peyton is weak, that makes their love undeniable? I don't get it! The writers just needed to shove them in somewhere a long the way.

I love brucas; they formed out of undeniable love for two people. Leyton was made out of Cheating and selfish heartbreaking confessions. Brucas just feels better in my opinion.

I know everyone has there own opinion and I appreciate them, so this was just my opinion of the relationships, and I am in no way bashing anyone, and I apologize if someone takes it that way. This is just the thought of a Brucas fan.

lucas and peyton are so DISGUSTING together
in season 4 i was llterally throwing up at the site of them being together EVERY SINGLE SECOND
wayyyy to much cheese
they are just lying to themselves. even peyton just said that half of her just wanted to be with lucas, because she like the idea of it
brooke loves him. i can tell

It has to be peyton and lucas.. i myself and i know several others who will not watch the show if it is not lucas and peyton!!!

I just read the new spoiler and OMG!
Im done...Im going to watch OTH anymore.
Mark are you serious?!? Leyton? come on its gottat be Brucas it just has end it with them...That couple has been through so much, their always there for each other thats how you know for sure that they belong togther. Leyton does nothing but hurt people closest to them and disgust people. They little to no chemistry and send a bad message. This whole epic love this HAS to stop! Leyton is NOT epic at all....I cant even think of a couple worst than them.
Majority of OTH fans like Brucas better, then why would you even go with that digusting couple?

Leyton needs to give it up!!! god...Im soo sick of seeing these two pathetic characters together. Lucas and Brooke were soo much better. I just cant believe the new spoilers they are soo upsetting...I cant believe Mark would do that to us Brucas fans again! seriously Mark you better get it right in the end...stop playing with us Leyton beyond boring...I dont know why you cant see that!
BRUCAS <3, Naley, Jeyton is the way to go Markie.
Brucas forever and ever!

Lucas and Peyton need to give it up already. They are hopeless as a couple. All of season 4 and season 5 revolved around them and I think we can all say that they dont have what Brooke and Lucas or Jake and Peyton had. We all know that they can be happy with other people...much much much happier. Lucas with Brooke and Peyton with Jake. Thats the way its suppose to be. Everyone on the show telling them that they are "epic" or "meant to be" is not good enough.
I have never shipped Leyton not even in season 1. I just couldnt ship a couple that cheats and hurts people. That is not love. Their love is never reciprocal. They have never fought for each other. They bail on each other the second things get tough. Where as Brooke and Lucas have stuck together through everyting, they have fought for each other.
Making Leyton endgame would mean that its ok to cheat and hurt the people closest to you. Leyton is definitely NOT the ultimate OTH couple. They never were and I dont think they ever can be. They NEED to give it up!!!Mark needs to put an end to this disgusting couple.

Here's why LP should not end up together...it's simple...

most of the LP fans do not deserve a happy LP ending for crucifying BLers since the beginning...gloating and bragging, even when brucas were together.

just as LP do not deserve to be together.

LP have lied their way to get together from the beginning (have lied to everyone and their mother, not to mention themselves), and they are still in season 5, currently lying their way to be together now

95% of the LP fans tend to brag and gloat...and trust me, this is on every single One Tree Hill forum i've ever been on.

i am sick of those arrogant high-horsed lper who act like their mark schwan.

always crucifying us...why do we still ship brucas? luke was a bad boyfriend blah blah blah

let me ask u why do u still ship LP...he treated her like crap just the same when they were apart.

95% of the lp fanbase want to take everything they think is good from the BL relationships, they want to suck the life out of BLers, they make shipping fictional couples not fun anymore.

these spoilers are getting to the lpers heads...

they refuse to acknowledge that brucas has a chance.

we brucasers DO know that lp has a bigger chance, but we also believe brucas has a chance too.

when it's just BL, luke changes brooke to be a better person, just as brooke changes luke to be a better person.

when lucas and peyton are together, they are the most selfish, and inconsiderate couple i have ever seen on tv.

woops I meant I completely concur with Adventure86 lol

WOW Laura that was very very well said...I concur 110%
Brooke and Lucas belong together always have always will...We all know that Peyton was much much happier with Jake...so please Mark do the right thing and make Brucas endgame...I will be extremely sad if they are not! I have watched the show again and again and I seriously tried to like Leyton but I a just couldn't...I did not watch 5 seasons of this show for you to make this cheating, lying, fake couple that has no chemistry what-so-ever called Leyton to be endgame...I beg of you!
It saddens me that you would Make Lucas's character propose to Peyton again...I have very very little respect for Peyton and if she says "yes" to Lucas's proposal...I will have absoloutely NO respect for Peyton.

If Brucas and Jeyton aren't endgame then what the hell were seasons 2 and 3 and part season 4 for?
Just so you know S4 sucked and you didnt cater to Brucas fans at all thats why we feel ignored most of the time! Because even when Brucas was together Leyton had soo many scenes together.

Please Mark please...make Brucas, Naley and Jeyton endgame thats the way its suppose to be, and everybody knows it. You have 1 season to redeem youself...make history and do something unpredictable! like Joey and Pacey

I am a huge fan of the show and all its characters... i think Peyton is awesome! but i just dont feel the chemistry with her and Lucas.... they are friends and they are good at friends ..... i am however a brucas fan ..... i am watching season 3 right now, and its just reminding me of there love for one another, honestly him and peyton never had the same chemistry.

well, at this point, brucas doesn't make any sence.. even if they had a good chemistry.. now its not even about brooke.. now, the thing is.. Peyton or lindsay..and, come one.. we all know, that lucas and peyton are meant to each other, the whole novel thing...it is so obvious!!
i'm TOTALY FOR LEYTON!

LUCAS
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PEYTON
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TRUE LOVE ALWAYS

if anyone watched the interview with the writer, mark, he said that he has been looking at the polls and he said brooke and luke own the majority of the votes, with peyton and luke behind them, and then of course lindsey and luke who own only a few votes.
he said that after some thought, his decision on who he will be taking to vegas will ultimately be based on what the people want
i for one, am rooting for brooke and lucas!
this is going to be very interesting

Brooke and Lucas, Peyton and jake, nathan and Haley - enough said..

i think that brooke and lucas are good together
remember at the start of season 4 when brooke broke up with lucas?

lucas: mom? you loved dan in highschool didn't you?
karen: strangely enough yes
lucas: how did you get over it when he stopped missing you?
karen: when i do, i'll get back to you

in season 5 i noticed that in the ep of when lucas and lindsey were getting married, brooke pictured herself in the wedding dress she made for lindsey, because she always thought she was going to marry lucas, i had a feeling brooke still loves lucas

brucas all day

I'm sick of Leyton! They do not have chemistry together. Yeah, it seemed like at first they were destined to be together but the fact is that Peyton has better chemistry with jake and lucas has better chemistry with brooke. that's how it should end. it should be NALEY, JEYTON AND OF COURSE BRUCAS. Everybody who likes LEYTON is because it seemed since the beggining that they were meant to be, but if you really look at the chemistry it's just not there. When I see peyton and lucas together it reminds me of his relationship with haley but they sleep together. It's more of a friendship!
BRUCAS 2GETHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BECAUSE THEIR HEARTS ARE THE SAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Leyton is old new. They need to bring back Brucas! I love Brooke and Lucas together. They are soo cute together! I want them to be an item again. I don't really like Peyton's chracter. She gets do dark and I thought her and Jake made a really good couple and she was really good with Jenny. So those are my thoughts about Leyton! BRING BACK BRUCAS

i dont understand why people are still routing for brucas anyway..the whole entire beginning of season 5..brooke knew that lucas still loved peyton and that they were going to get together. she even told peyton to go get him..so i honestly dont think she would do that to her best friend again..even in season 4 when they got together brooke told him to go to her...just doesnt look like its in the picture. lucas started writing again when she came back..and the novel was obviously about her. Even when they were about to get married he looked out at her sitting down. In "In da club" after she kissed him..he pulled away..but looked at her again and pulled her in. its always been there it always will be! so brucas fans..just give up :)

In some ways One Tree Hill reminds me of Dawson's Creek. Originally Joey and Dawson were set up and "destined" to be together. But eventually it was really clear that Joey and Pacey had more chemistry together. Even though Lucas and Peyton were supposed to be together from the start, I think it would be very cool if the writers were able to overcome the original plan and follow the course of events that has happened. Lucas and Brooke had wonderful chemistry. They work better onscreen. I've had enough "Leyton,"

The Ultimate OTH Couple is NOT LEYTON.no way in hell.comeon?!

its NALEY!!!shheeesh. you people. Leyton is so screwed up.its like impossible.

naley :P
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I would be really disappointed if Lucas and Peyton don't end up together. I can't beleive that it's even possible that after all the grief season 5 put us through looking at the two of them yearn for eachother painfully (even though Luas was engaged), that they could end up apart. I think I would stop watching if they don't get together. I mean, we ha to at let try it one last time! This is a very important story line for the show. It was the foundation of the entire last season! What's all the fuss for if they don't end up together. Lucas and Linsay irritates me.

I'm for Lucas and Peyton!

In the beginning I really loved Lucas and Peyton together but since the second season I can't really feel the chemistry between them. I don't know if Brooke is the right girl for Lucas. I like them when their together but whenever they were apart I so didn't understand the way Brooke behaved. But I totally fell in Love with the relationship between Peyton and Jake. I just loved them in the first two seasons. They are so perfect for each other. I hope Bryan Greenberg is returning to One Tree Hill now that October Road is finished though I don't know why he left the show in the first place.
But apart from that I don't care if Leyton exists or not. I'd just like it to be a final decision for once. I'm really fed up with this whole breaking up and getting back together thing.
But anyway the ultimate OTH couple for me is Nathan and Haley. This family is so sweet.

if the story does not end up with Leyton's unity, i will lose hope and might stop watching the show altogether. S6 did bring much agony. i felt for Peyton. no prom queen waits for anyone like that. if Lucas does not find his way back to her...at least bring Jake Jigielski back.

I am so tired of Lucas and Peyton! They both cant figure out what they want and when they do, they can never make it work. It makes less interested in their characters and watching them. And when Peyton is depressed about Lucas all the time, it makes her character quite boring. Yes, they had a connection at the start but in their own way, all the couples had connections. They just have a very strong friendship but can never seem to make it work when it is more than that. I think we need to bring back Jake for Peyton because that is the only relationship in which she has been truly happy, there was no sneaking or cheating behind friend's backs to be together and there was no drama between the couple that lasted 5 seasons. Jake and Peyton had a true connection and they were an amazing couple, a family. I believe that Brooke and Lucas have a stronger romantic connection and bond with eachother than Lucas and Peyton.
Naley. Brucas. Jayton.
:)

If you agree and believe that Jake and Peyton belong together, please sign this petition to get Jake back on the show and in the arms of his princess! Peyton and Jake are meant to be, just like Nathan and Haley and Brooke and Lucas!

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/jakepeyton/index.html

NO MORE LEYTON!!
BRING BACK JAYTON!!

I think that Lucas and Peyton are destined to be together since season one. it's like derek and meredith in grey's anatomy!Certain couples are bound to be because of the chemistry but also because the story ,although other people come and go, remains their story since the beginning and forever.

Leyton have to be together.
I know, they hurt theirselfs when they were together, but they also had the greatest time in season 4, they were fun and really, REALLY happy. Come on, everyone knows that the word hurt comes with the word love. Who's dating or even married obviusly have already been hurt by your partner, but when you get together, when your partner tells you he's sorry, when he/she tells you he/she love you and you apologyse, don't you feel this amazing feeling? You know what? This is one of the most amazing feelings of love. Guys, can't you see that is always been Lucas and Peyton? They meant to be together. And if they don't, i would be so upset, i might don't believe in love anymore. Brooke has already forget Lucas, and he neither! They are great friends... Brooke has to be with Chase, they are so cute!
And you guys, i can see that you are all so angry about Peyton, but you should be mad at Lucas, he is the one that is wrong, he is the one that is always unsure about who he has to be. Come on, if Peyton is so bad why would Brooke be her friend? You should think about that...
LEYTON = TRUE LOVE ALWAYS.

I would like to see Peyton and Lucus together it's been long over due. There is always something in the way when it comes to the both of them. I think it's time for them to be together. We've all seen what they look like when their apart (we got it). If anything that's what were really tired about, the fact that their always close, but never quite there. We need to see how a relationship will be with them together once and for all and if it does not work out at least we can say they tired and it just didn't work out. As for Brooke, they need to return Chase back for her I think they would make a better couple. Right about now Lucus and her are should just stay great friends.

i think the best couple in these series is brucas. leyton doesn't have that chemistry that is really obvious at brucas. i am totally for brucas as i think they are perfect for each other. the way lucas changes brooke and the way brooke changes him are absolutely wow. leyton is boring

Leyton may be the same worlds and want the same things but they repel when tests for endurance call their bluff. And they just want to keep each other to feed their own selfish desires. Luke wanted to marry Peyton so he could have what he used to have with Brooke. Peyton refused the proposal because she knows she could not have Lucas the same way she had everything with Jake. Lucas and Peyton getting married while sharing this 'epic love' is a great idea, Mark, but there is not development, no real trials they have to defeat so how convincing can they be as a couple, let alone be married? They never gave any effort to be together and once they are, they discuss about promises that will be broken or they angst each other until they grow weary and want to be the "epic love" they were (have they ever been?)

The real knock-out is their concept of happiness together:

BRUCAS: "Even if you can't be with me, I will be happy for you because I have you in my heart and I'm there in yours. And even if you marry somebody else or if I marry somebody else, you're the friend I go to for my good times and bad times. You support me and believe in me (Brooke) and you listen to me when I hurt (Lucas) I love you."

LEYTON: "If we can't be together, we can't be happy. We are only happy when we have each other and we both know that. That's why I want you so much. I wanted to be with you so much. Just because I go saying no to your proposal (Peyton) and I said "I do" to another girl (Lucas) doesn't mean the end. I still want you. All the time. Even when it makes me sick and I cry a lot. You and I SHOULD be together. I love you."

See what I mean?

BRUCAS, JEYTON and NALEY forever! =3

JEYTON: He gave her strength to overcome her emotional shortcomings and he didn't have to write a book about it

I get it. Leyton is always there. Yes, yes, they love each other! But to be in a relationship that entails commitment and emotional supoort? Lucas is better committed to Brooke, even as friends in s5. Jake might have left but he said that someday he will come back for her. Peyton doesn't have to wait but she doesn't have to confuse and fool herself either with these notions about being with Lucas forever. Leyton exists forever but not in a romantic sense. Leyton is a beautiful connection but more of a platonic form. Leyton is filled with complexities and trappings but more of two people who reflect each other's fears, preferences and insecurities. Leyton is incomparable but not always in the best light. Leyton is both a bargain and a deadend. If friends, they grow but once they try to be involved romantically, they end up destroying each other.

Brucas. I believe they could still be together. But Lindsey seems good for Lucas too. And Peyton? She can survive. She learned how to so why is she being so impatient and willing to settle down for the least availability? Because it's that, available? Like Lucas? Whenever he was, she doesn't want him. Then when he isn't, she wants him back. Really. This isn't working at all. Leyton is just not working anymore. Mark...dearest Mark, don't try making Leyton so epic and meant-to-be when all signs, seriously, point to the contradiction.

Truth to be told, I like Leyton pictures. I collect them. They look so good and happy in the banners and wallpapers and icons the LP fans make that I collect them. But I look at these pictures and I see Ally Mcbeal and John Cage, Anna and Seth from the OC, Lily and Ted from "How I met your mother" hell, even Will and Grace (but the last two cited are Laley-oriented as well but i hope you get my point. These are examples of platonic love) and the Leyton kissing scenes seem..wrong. No combustion. Too awkward. Leyton posses the quality of strong "same sides" attracting each other but in the end "has to repel when a romantic angle enters." Two people can connect like Leyton and remain as friends. They have once. So, Mark, really, wtf?

There is a post floating around on here somewhere from an LPer stating the reason she doesn't like BL is because of the BL fans immaturity, and I just had to laugh. Mainly because me and her have the same views, just on different ships. I have gotten to the point where I will like LP, and then an LPer will completely ruin it for me by making some rude, stupid, or completely immature comment that completely turns me off of the couple.

I guess the point I am trying to make is DON'T be so biased about who ships what couple because truth is there is just as many immature, whiny LPers as there are immature whiny BLers...

leyton needs to give it up...they do not have the kind of love that makes you fight for the other at all costs...lucas broke up with peyton after she said someday and didnt call her for a year...peyton saw the cheek kiss and ran away without even being there for lucas on his big day...if your fear of committment overcomes your love for that other person then its not worth it

I think for season 6 it should be lucas and peyton and brooke and chase(he's always there when brooke needs him and plus she deserves to be happy) of course naley she be together I'm a leyton fan but can they show the other charcters more cuz I feel like the shows only about leyton please put chase with brooke

P.s. Can't wait for season 6

Simply can't get over the fact that all the LP'ers keep sayin that luke always goes to peyton even if he's with brooke blah blah. Ok, the first time they cheated, Luke was the one who learned more from his mistake.

He made the effort to make things right with brooke, and tried to become a better person and he and brooke became really close again. Even peyton noticed this (when she was with jake) and told brooke that it wud definately not be inappropriate for her to have feelings for luke.

Peyton knew about the letters brooke wrote to luke, still at the end of 3x16 she goes and kisses luke again coz she's about to die. Luke DID NOT cheat on brooke, peyton being such a close friend, it just caught him off guard and he wud definately not say or do anything to get peyton more upset in that situation. Fine that was just a moment coz peyton thought she was dying. The most messed up part is, she's starting to have feelings for luke AGAIN. But she goes to jake and asks him if he wants to get MARRIED??? While jake also knows she has feelings for luke, that gives her the right to play with the jake's heart tooo ??? To have told brooke that she kissed luke might've been fine, but to tell brooke she's having the same feelings for luke but she'l bury them ???

I wonder if Luke knows that Peyton had asked Jake to marry her ?

Please Mark, do you really want to end the show with a couple which has to cheat to get together or hurt the feelings of others they love ???

In reply to Brittany Jean

Reasons why BL should be end game.

- Because Luke had given exactly 2 embarassing speeches in his life, and they were both with brooke (S 3)
- Because he certainly made predictions about peyton since 7th grade, but he stopped making predictions about peyton once he was with BROOKE (Hailey mentioning the predictions to peyton - S 5)
- Because KEITH told luke that I think You're good! (S 1 - when luke chose brooke over peyton)
- Because luke gave his room to brooke so that she didnt have to move to california (S 2)
- Because KEITH always saw brooke and luke together and he noticed how happy luke was (S 3 - when keith returns)
- Because luke was willing to PROVE his love to brooke which he did (S 3)
- Because he did not say "OH" to brooke when brooke told luke she loved him
- Because luke did not have to be persuaded by a number of people to realise that he loves brooke
- Because even after luke cheated on brooke (peyton), and brooke broke luke's heart (chris kellar), they both had it in each other's hearts to forgive, thats how much they love each other (S 1-3)
- Because technically BROOKE is the ONLY one who accepted luke's proposal :P (5x05 anyone ? :P)
- Because Brooke was willing to give up everything for luke (she told this to victoria), and that was one of the few times she talked about love, coz luke was the one she had truly loved and cared for (S 5)
- Because luke said I LOVE YOU to brooke, while he said I HATE YOU to peyton, and then told Peyton I Don't Hate you.He never told peyton "I LOVE YOU" and for the sake of true love, I hope he doesnt (S 5)

BL has to be end game. It wud just kill me if LP end together.If LP is end game, OTH wud never be the same for me, and I would probably not rewatch most of the seasons/episodes coz knowing that he's gonna end up with a person like Peyton, makes me sick to my stomach.

Brucas!! It's been seen time and time again that Peyton and Luke can be much happier with other people, i.e., Jake and Brooke. Peyton was even happier with Pete from Fall Out Boy, a guy whom she didn't know too well, then she is with Lucas. They don't have the on-screen chemistry as lovers, and are much better off as friends.

Season Three was by far my favorite season thus far. The chemistry for Brucas is immense, and while many say that Leyton has an emotional connection, I think they work better as friends. Throughout season three, Lucas has done things for Brooke that he has never done for Peyton: Like write letters, give embarrassing speeches in the rain, refuse to be non-exclusive, forgiving her for sleeping with Kellar, and there are so many more. Yeah, Lucas always ends up saving Peyton, but that has more to do with their friendship than their relationship as lovers. Lucas proposed Peyton and said no, and to me, that should have ended the relationship. She was willing to live in Savannah for Jake but not live in Tree Hill for Lucas? I don't think it's fair to continue forcing fans to like Leyton. Brucas was more natural on-screen and as Lucas said, Brooke is the girl for him.

Well first of all, i'm a Naley fan. I think they are THE epic couple of oth.
But someone definetly screwed up somewhere with this whole "love-triangle" thing. It was obviously meant to be him and Peyton from the start, but then he started dating Sophia in real life, so they decided to change it and make Brucas seem like an "epic" couple. But then they split up, so they had to switch it all back to Peyton again.
Basically, thats what happens when actors decide to have their own thing off-screen, and the writers have to write it into the show. so now cos they thought both couples were gonna be the main one at some point and wrote it that way, the fans are now divided. Anyone seeing the moral of this story here?
Long story short (too late but still), Naley forever.
The Leyton/Brucas love triangle is always gonna be there now so i'm just sticking with the couple that actually are "epic"

The problem with Peyton is that she ALWAYS goes for Luke after he's with someone. I remember luke telling her "Do you have, like an alarm in your head that goes off everytime im happy with someone else?" (he is obviously referring to lindsay as well as brooke otherwise he wud'nt have said everytime).
Notice in the arguement which LP had in 5 x 05.(im takin only parts of the arguement)

Lucas : You're the one I want next to me when my dreams come true, you're the one I want next to me when they don't.

Peyton : Whitey Believes in you and Nathan needs you. If I ask you to walk away, you're gonna get up one day and resent me, the same way I WOULD feel if you asked me to walk away from my dream. (i think i got it right)

Peyton : If you can't think our love can make it one year, I don't see how we can be talking about forever right now (She could have easily put it in a much better and non offensive way)

Going to the whole Brooke-Peyton thing.

In episode 15- She almost chased Chase away after she stole Luke from Brooke again.
When Ian had them both tied up, she said "I wish he kills you first". Despite what brooke said about her mom. Another instance.
Episode 4 x 01, Brooke comes to see Luke at the end, Peyton passes some ridiculous comments that I don't remember.
I just can't stand Peyton and as years have gone by Brooke has become a better person while Peyton ....well I don't want to say anything more about peyton. I just hope that BL get together coz I have never loved a couple more. Ryan/Marissa were a favourite till the end of season 3. Then the OC ended for me and was really upsetting. I just hope the couple I support in OTH gets together. BL :)

ahhh, what a question. i strongly believe leyton need to give it up. as soon as i saw the first episode peyton became my favourite character, and i was aiming for her to get with luke, a guy who saw into her soul, the connection between them was undeniable, its deep and strong, they have so much in common. but i quickly turned off leyton as a couple, in my opinion they are a beautiful idea but a lacking reality, they have too much in common and are better off as friends. i think peyton needs someone to make her stronger and beleive in herself and lucas needs someone to balance him out, in the end my support of broody couples doesn't last long (like ryan and marissa)a broody person needs a non broody person, or atleats on tv it needs to be that way.
if leyton had been better developed earlier on then perhaps i would still support them, but other than that connection (which is not love, and is just as suited if not more so to friendship not as lovers) i just don't see two people IN love with each other, i never really saw them fall in love, i saw a boy who had a crush on a girl he didn't know, and a girl who was intrigued with the world lucas offered her and a stable shoulder to lean on, they understand each other but that doesnt mean they belong to each other, in season one i dont think they got a chance to expand their feelings into real IN LOVE love, and over the next couple of seasons their relationship strengthened as a friendship and the show showed how they can both fall head over heels in love with other people, strong loves they both unsuccessfully fought for, yet leyton never fought for each other, they always walk away too easily, willing to give up on what they have or what they could have, their season 4 relationship reeked of settlement, and by that point their romantic chemistry was not even half of the potential they showed originally, and i couldn't help but compare it to their other relationships and judge leyton as lacking. dont get me started on season 5, this season just proved to me even more why they don't belong together (as much as its said leyton are soulmates, i have not felt it or seen real emotional proof that its any more than an idea) and i think lucas needs to have some time alone to realise what he really wants before jumping into another relationship, especially one as serious as marriage. for me leyton is getting tiring and boring, do i believe they could get back together and be happy? yes i do, i think the writers could pull that off, but if they do it they need to have more build up on both sides of the relationship to pull it off successfully, and happiness can be easily written into a show, and if it does happen i for one won't buy it, i'll watch it but all i will see is two actors acting in love, two characters who think they should be together instead of two characters who belong together and are in love. gawd, if leyton do get back together let it please be so they can get it out of their systems and realise for themselves that it is just a beautiful idea and nothing more, that the love lucas wrote about in his book is in fact more that what they shared or share, so they can move on and truely be happy and in love without it looking like simple acting.
Thats just how i feel, in the end each fan has their own opinion with just as strong reasoning, it all comes down to the fact when a fan watches a couple either they feel their love or they don't, and no matter what happens or what logical rational arguement a fan hears they will continue to ship their couple because they feel the love. so some will fight for leyton while others won't, but its not us who decides (sadly) it depends on where Mark and co feel the love.

I started to watch this show when I was 20 years old and I fall in love brucas story.. brucas teach me love and faith.. and many many thinks....I am so thankfull sophia and chad for their chemistry...

First of all, I'm definitely pulling for Lucas and Peyton. Anyone who says that Lucas and Brooke should be together are out of their minds. How many times do you want them to go back and forth??? I know that Lucas and Peyton have broken up a couple of times, but keep in mind, they are still growing up and sometimes people make poor decisions, i.e. Lucas over reacting when Peyton said she wanted to wait. Relationships are not easy, but hopefully you learn from your mistakes, and if given antoher chance you make things right. For Mark to end the show with Brucas together would make the show pointless and ridiculous. As far as the people who would even mention Jake... what are you thinking??? That was never ment to be and you know it. In the end, it's up to Mark. Hopefully he's not too driven on drama, and retains some substance in this storyline. At any rate, I hope this back and forth crap ends soon. Even I'm getting tired of this.

why is leyton even being considered as the ultimate oth couple, brucas and jeyton shouldn't be considered either
everyone that watches the show knows that naley is the ultimate couple and is the only for sure endgame, so all the leyton and brucas and jeyton fans need to just grow up and stop fighting i mean seriously there is a 50/50 shot for both leyton and brucas you will find out soon enough, no need to fight about it. Naley is and always will be the ultimate oth couple!

I just had an idea I think you guys might like. You should do a poll, for fighting words. And see witch side people agree with. I always want to know what side the public leans toward but when there are SO many comments it is hard to keep track.

Honestly, I think Leyton is boring. I hate seeing them together! The all TLA thing is really really really boring! If they end up together, I don't think I will even watch season 6! What I like about Brucas, is that all of there scenes are great ! You feel that they are happy together, but Peyton is always crying..her only interesting relationship was with Jake. They had a lot of chemistry, and so do Brucas ! With the LP relationship, you don't feel that they will stay together forever and be happy ! Peyton said NO ,and now that Lucas finally is over her she's like: "Oh...looks like I made a mistake!"Just like she did in the first season when Lucas was with Brooke! And even Lucas said that every time he's happy with a girl (Brooke or Lindsey) she had to come between them! She destroys all his relationships and when she finally has him, she refuses to marry him! She needs to let him go. LP really makes me sick! I'm so tired of it! I really like what Mark Schwahn (how di you spell it ?)wrote in the other seasons ,but now it's really boring!! It's just like he's the one who's holding on to Leyton relationship and he can't see that the the most OTH fans really hate this on-off-on-off relationship between them! They are only happy together when they cheat! SO PLEASE MARK !! Stop the boring Leyton story!!And let her meet someone new and let Bl be together again! Because ,people that are ment to be together always find their way in the end !! And LP=TLA=>Teenage Love Affair !!!

I know this is supposed to be about L/P but people are using the term "ultimate OTH couple" and they have L/P and B/L in the same sentence when seriously people, Keith and Karen are better suited than those two couples as the "ultimate OTH couple". The REAL ultimate OTH couple is obviously Nathan and Haley. So it's much appreciated if people wouldn't forget that. L/P maybe the first "meant to be" couple but the two have strayed too far from each other to be the ULTIMATE couple. I think they deserve each other and everything but they are NOT the ultimate couple.

I'm from Poland, and Poland love Brucas. Brucas was/is true love, BL always will.
LP is no chemistry. LP is so boring. LL is even better than LP.

Why Brucas:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BauA6IDebNQ

let's see.. !!

Thanks! BL always!

As a Brucas fan, let me just clarify something for some people-

Do I think that LP are liars and cheaters? Yes, watch the show- they lie and cheat and hurt those around them. So the question now is why would BLers want L to be with B? Well, I can't speak for everyone but I can tell you what I think and the impression I've gotten from many others-

Lucas doesn't deserve Brooke. She deserves so much more than him. That's probably the only reason I'd want LP to be together- so they could be miserable together. However, why I do ship BL is because when L is with B, he ceases to do Mr.-I-have-a-fascination-with-death and he's actually happy and the two of them together don't betray and lie to those that care about them. But more importantly, Brooke is happy with him. That's why I want BL together, because it's what I think B wants. Truthfully, I could care less about L, almost as little as I care about P, but if L is what B wants, then I'm all for it.

I know this isn't what the debate should be about but I was getting tired of this being brought up.

Also, saying that LP should be together because Chad and Sophia shouldn't have to work together is the weakest argument ever.

ok, forget about lucas, brooke, peyton, and everyone else on the show... think about it for a minute.... i know we all want lucas with peyton or brooke or whomever, but remember, Mark, you know, the writer/creator... we all just need to put our faith in him. Afterall, he's kept us interested this long, and i believe he will continue doing a good job keeping us interested in the future. Not one minute of the show has been bad, so no matter who ends up with who, we all know it's gonna be good!!

Whenever this debate pops up, LP fans describe Leyton as 'epic' over and over, as if thats the best arguement they can give. 'Epic' isn't the word to use -- 'over-played' or 'drawn-out-to the point of madness' is more like it.

I ship Brucas immensely (I own quite a few purple monkeys ;) ), but I did try very hard to like Leyton, or see some sort of connection - and I am not just saying that. After watching 5 seasons, I would say Lucas and Peyton didn't bring out the worst in each other, but they certainly don't bring out the best either. Peyton doesn't seem to be interested when Lucas is single, it's only when he's with someone else that she 'realises' she is 'oh-so-helplessly-in-love' with him, and the relationship is therefore based on cheating and lying -- not exactly a solid base for a great relationship. I cant see the 'instant connection' and love at first sight - Peyton just wanted the sex if i remember correctly.

Then there comes the 'Leyton need each other and complete each other' quote that i see way to often for comfort. Actually, wasn't there the scene at Debs house on the balcony, in which Peyton named a load of reason why she didn't need him? Thought so.

Leyton have been thrown on us since the beginning, and it j